Tues 01.13.08 – Last week I emailed the lovely folk at WOM World asking if they would send me a Nokia N85 so that I could do a rigorous photography comparison with the Nokia N82.
Now for the record, after taking the Nokia N82 out to India for the Urbanista Diaries and having one in my possession this fall for the Nokia viNe challenge, I am very partial to the mobile camera phone wonder that is the Nokia N82. Also, let’s note that in Sept. when I had the opportunity to fondle the Nokia N85 at the Nokia House lounge in Espoo, Finland, I found it lacking. I did not like the front faceplate keys on the Nokia N85 keys at all, nor was I excited about the fact that it was a slider. For photography, I prefer a candy bar to a slider or other bits to fiddle with. All I want to fiddle with is the camera, not the handset.
The photos above were taken one right after another with me making sure that the state of the subject, lighting, and other conditions did not change. The idea was to make sure that the only differentiating factor was the mobile device used to take the photo and its software, camera, lens, and flash. The N82 is noted to have the better camera, lens, focal range, and zenon flash. The N85, while the new device, is not noted for making a great evolutionary step forward for photography but instead a sideways step from the N82.
The N82 has a better flash and a better focal range than the N85, but the N85 takes the photos as you click, it does not focus and then capture. At times this is much more satisfactory as one is not frustrated as the camera focuses, but as you can see from the photos above the N82 takes much clearer and sharper photos than the N85. I conclude that it is worth it to wait for the N82 to focus rather than have the immediate satisfaction that the N85 is fast.
As for night and difficult lighting situations, I purposely took the camera phones to the badly lit red interior of Alex’s Bar in Long Beach, California, which is the bane of rock photographers LA wide for the lack of spotlights and the red walls which eat light right on up before your camera can sense it. The N85 won in this situation when I turned off its flash and just had it shoot. It was fast, captured warm colors and made the most of the dim lighting, but the N85 failed miserably when I turned the flash on as it was dark and dim. The N82 was blurry and a bit darkish with no flash inside of Alex’s, but with the lovely Zenon flash really lit the band right on up.
The other difficult situation that I took both camera phones to was the bright sunlight and water reflections of Huntington Beach’s Dog Beach that included two white dogs, Scruffy & Belle. Usually the white fur plus the sunlight makes for a photo failure, esp. when it comes to rendering the form of the dog as they usually become just a white blob. Both the Nokia N82 and N85 did valiant jobs with the bright sunlight, white fur, and water reflections but the N82 rendered warmer, clearer colors and the N85 shifted the color slightly to the cold, blue spectrum.
Overall, other than the no flash at Alex’s Bar, the N82 wins this round against the N85.
Up next: Round 2 – Punk Rock Bowling. Who will win in the lights of Las Vegas and the yellow shift of the Sam’s Town bowling lanes? Check back next Monday for the answer on whether the N82 or the N85 will win…
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Please note the following specifications on each camera phone:
The Nokia N82: 5 megapixel (2592 x 1944 pixels) camera, CMOS sensor, Carl Zeiss optics, Tessar™ lens, Focal length 5.6 mm, Focus range 10 cm ~ infinity, Macro focus distance 10-50 cm, Integrated xenon flash
v20.0.062 firmware (RM-313)
The Nokia N85: 5 megapixel camera (2584 x 1938 pixels) camera, CMOS sensor, Carl Zeiss optics, Tessar™ lens, Focal length 5.45 mm, Focus range 10 cm ~ infinity, Macro focus distance 10-50 cm, Dual LED flash
v10.045.53 firmware (RM-333)
Why do I list the firmware of the camera? Well, a recent update for the N85 is rumored to improve camera function via software and I will update both today so that this weekend’s Round 2 will be on the most updated firmware.
Update: 01.14.09 – I made an attempt to update the firmware on the N85 today, as there are rumored improvements for the camera performance, but the ancient borrowed PC I used would kept disconnecting the Nokia Updater and the N85. Since, I don’t want to send a bricked N85 back to WOM World, I gave up for today. Everyone I know either has a virus ladlen 2003 or older PC or they have switched to Macs. Over the Air (OTA) firmware updating can’t come fast enough to the Nseries line for me.
9 thoughts on “The Nokia N82 Versus The Nokia N85 :: Round 1”
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Hey Jen, nice camera comparison! Just wanted to mention that the band in your photos is actually named “West of Texas” – they went on after us that night. But thanks for the shout out and hope you enjoyed the show!
Tracy
The Fallen Stars
Hi Tracy,
Thanks for the name correction, I have corrected West of Texas instead of Falling Stars in the photos.
I am sad that I missed you all that night, as DJ Wanda of the Howdylicious radio show recommended the Falling Stars to me and told me not to miss you. My bad.
smiles, jen ;o)
Good comparison, this is exactly what I have been looking for comparing N85 and N82 image quality.
Hi Henry,
Lots of other reviews talk about the handsets and features but other than CJ’s photo comparison, I have not yet seen a good photography comparison of the N82 and N85. If one doesn’t see it out and about, then one should do it. ;o)
I hope all is well.
smiles, jen ;o)
hi jen,
sad to say my n85 doesn’t produce good photos like the one you have. i am really keen on upgrading the firmware but some who did got some problems one way or the other with the other phone features. if you could get a photo from the n85 with upgraded firmware and it really looks better, i’d probably take the risk of upgrading my firmware. thanks and nice comparison!
Hi Miko,
I was not able to update the firmware on the N85 and it is the Euro model not the NAM model. Thus, I am using the v.10.45, as I could not update today.
The photos I am taking are mostly with the flash off and I am making sure that my hand is steady by either using both hands to hold the mobile or leaning it up against something.
smiles, jen ;o)
FLASH OFF? SECRET OR NATURAL-LIGHT PHOTOS? I’m one-handed. Hold camera against head/ wall/ tree/ post/ floor/ etc. Higher ISO, anti-shake (same thing on N82), hold breath & movement, avoid bright unnecessary items in photo, spot-meter instead of multi-meter lighting, use B&W if ok.
I’m ex-pro photographer. Camera testing uses LINES-PER-INCH (in a metric world?!), DISTORTIONS of several types, color fidelity, glare coping, Xenon-brightness/ speeds (a thousandth of a sec?), etc … at all light levels, all zooms, all photo distances.
Don’t tell NOKIA, the largest manufacturer of cameras on the planet, who actually do not know what a camera is.
IT’S A MILITARY SECRET that only u & I know about.
In the one N82, I have A-GPS, audio & video recorders & players. a-gps-camera labelling (unlike other other cameras, wireless networks (wlan, IP, bluetooth), photo copier, step-counter * Java programs: step-counter, biz-card auto-database, code encoders (several types of dictionaries, translators, vocalizers, alarms, clocks, timers, remote location & audio-video surveillance, etc.
Very interesting post. Nokia N85 is the best mobile in this price range and it is much better in comparison to its rivals. Am planning to buy it soon.